To WC About Celebrate Recovery

February 27, 2016

WC, at my comment page,
I truly am encouraged whenever I hear of someone growing in holiness and reading the Word. I hope we all will forever do just that.

I acknowledge that the Lord uses all sorts of means to bring people to Him. I do believe, and have stated it before at times, that people can come to the Truth through false paths –but not because of those paths, but because the Lord, who is merciful, compassionate, and all-powerful, sees the seeking, hurt, or desperate heart, and He, in spite of the “incurable medicine” they are taking, reveals Himself to that person, guiding them to the Real Truth. Thus I’ve said that people in Catholicism can come to the Truth –in spite of Catholicism’s many false teachings– and the same it is for Mormons, New Agers, etc. However, that being said, any apparent deliverance from sin, or any “burning in the bosom” (as Mormons put it) that supposedly proves to them that they possess God’s Spirit, or if there be any other ecstatic feeling, or any power to overcome desires –such things can also be done or experienced with the power, methods, and ideas of the master of deception. (2 Cor. 11:3,4,13-15 // Eph. 2:1-3, 4:17-19 // 2 Thes. 2:9-12 // 1 Tim. 4:1,2 // 1 John 4:1-6)

In Jer. 17:5 we read, “This is what the LORD says: ‘Cursed is the person who trusts in man, who makes flesh [humans] his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.'” The Lord does often use people, even unregenerate people, –even use them to bring people to repentance and Truth, for “all things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:27) We know He used even a donkey to warn a prophet (Num. 22:20-35), but that does not mean we seek out other donkeys to relay to us the Truth of God. Good habits and good people may help us but we are not to rely on them / put our trust in them, nor are we to neglect to measure them to see if they are lined up with the Truth of God’s Word.

Much of the fruit of CR is bad. Though you may have experienced a helpful group, the method itself promotes reliance on man as well as a focus on everyone’s harmful habits, problems, hang-ups, addictions, etc. –which practices, in short, should just be called “sin” and from which Spirit-indwelt people have been set free. (Rom. 6:18)

Eph. 5:12 says, “For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.” When it says “it is shameful even to mention” such things, we should not be organizing groups that not only mention perverse, ugly things, but discuss them to the point of glorifying them! Sin is over for those truly born again as new creatures. (2 Cor. 5:17 // Gal. 5:24 // 1 John 3:6-10) Yes, we are to meet together to encourage one another, but that encouragement comes about supernaturally from the Spirit as we, with music, praise, and thanksgiving to God, “speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs” (Eph. 5:19) One sinning man telling another sinning man about his sins and how he can overcome sin pales enormously in strength-building compared to being filled with the Spirit of the Almighty God and speaking His words –which we are to do at all times. (1 Pe. 4:11)

Just because a program has or produces some good does not mean it is to be exalted as God’s way. In Acts 16:16-18 we read of a slave girl possessing an evil spirit of fortune-telling. She followed Paul and his evangelism group around shouting. But what was she shouting? She was shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” (v. 17) We don’t hear error in her message. So we see that she was giving a true statement, but by a demon, not by God, and she was doing so in demonic power and method, not under God’s control. I encourage you to meditate on this passage, as well as on such passages as Mark 1:21-27 where we see an evil spirit exclaiming a true statement to everyone in the synagogue –that Jesus is “the Holy One of God!” (v. 24)

Now about what you asserted against me, I say this: False testimony means to give out information that is false, doing so knowingly, or, I would include, unknowingly but carelessly. However, I have written nothing that I know to be false, nor have I investigated carelessly. Therefore, it may possibly be your accusation toward me that is itself false testimony.

Even so, I do want to encourage you. I think I hear your heart for the Lord, and to that I’m very glad.



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